Posts tagged feminism
Posts tagged feminism
Earlier today I asked whether the term ‘violence against women’ was discriminatory, and presented my views. I was delighted to read the mostly-vitriolic responses from feminists, which I’ve reproduced below for your consideration (and entertainment). All emphases are mine.
Consider this reblog part of my campaign to at least spend my energy mocking posts on a wider variety of topics, and mocking posts that are more clearly stupid. Also, my long term commitment to misandrist discourse.
Standing in misandrist solidarity.
Maybe when women aren’t overwhelmingly the victims and men aren’t overwhelmingly the perpetrators we can talk about changing it.
Misandrist = saying “well, maybe you aren’t the most important person in this discussion”
seriously, I have a met a lot of people involved in domestic violence activism, and have yet to encounter a single one who was hostile to or unwilling to help a man who was genuinely a victim of partner violence, not to mention all the boys who grow up in homes where violence occurs. It is very much in the interest of women to remove boys from those situations, because they will become men. The underlying implication of this attempt to ungender DV is that advocates are out to harm men, deliberately or by omission, which is fucking appalling considering that it is women who are overwhelmingly the targets of violence. Any attempt to recenter men and sweep the violence inherent in heterosexual interactions under the table lest it alienate anyone (men) only serves to harm women. You can’t even be beat bloody without some fucker asking you to make room for the men, even when men are not there in sufficient numbers to need that room.
so yeah, misandry 4 life
SO MUCH FUCKING WORD. GOD! YES! Male victims’ voices should be heard and seen as REAL victims. BUT FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF GOD-DO NOT SILENCE WOMEN’S VOICES in order to prove a “BUT WAHT ABOUT THE MEN WAAAH!!!” point. It is sick, it is counter-productive, it ignores women, and it is fucking sexist. And also? Wanna know WHY men aren’t seen as real victims in the first fucking place? Because of misogyny and a patriarchal system…one that participates in shit like this. Because women are incapable of being a fucking threat and men are incapable of being real vicitims. That’s fucking why. Whenever a discussion with Violence against women comes up and some asshole (typically a dude, occasionally a woman) starts with a “but it happens to guys too..” I will tell them to fucking check themselves before they wreck themselves. Because seriously? WHAT FUCKING POINT ARE U TRYING TO MAKE?!! What? Are you trying to defend violence women face? Are you trying to erase women’s experience so you can keep the status quo? Because A) that doesn’t help the men you claim are “ignored by the evil women” and B) it does shit to combat VAW and domestic abuse period. WHY ARE YOU SO DEFENSIVE AGAINST THE THOUGHT OF GIVING 2 SHITS ABOUT WOMEN?!?!!! FUCKING WHY??!?! ARE R U A COWARD TRYING TO EVADE THE FACT THAT MISOGYNY EXISTS?!!
If these were guys ranting at a woman putting forward her views, this would be psychological abuse and misogynist raving, wouldn’t it? I am entertained by the double standard and still maintain my original views. Which chapter in the Feminist Playbook does it say that “men must not have views which run counter to women’s on the matter of gender based violence, and if they do, there should be no dialogue with them on this matter apart from a barrage of fuck yous”?
CODE RED for Gender Justice and Women Speak take exception to a suggestion from a colleague that the term “violence against women” is discriminatory against men, and should be replaced by the term “relationship violence”.
My thoughts, with all due respect to all parties involved:
Wasn’t this solved when we found the term ‘gender-based violence’? I agree that axing ‘violence against women’ in preference for ‘relationship violence’ will not work because there are a number of fronts on which women (and men) face violence.
But, I do not think that adopting the term “gender-based violence” or similar over “violence against women” would help to ‘socialize [us] to devalue a focus on women, [which] not only [allows] violence against women to continue but [creates] a more permissive environment for it to occur’, as WomenSpeak argues.
Re: CODE RED’s view that “erasing the language feminists have invented to describe the harms women disproportionately face is an attempt at silencing women”, I rather think that gender-inclusive lenses through which we view vulnerability are a good thing. I long to see women and men share a platform on issues like these, rather than to frame them almost-exclusively as women’s issues in what very-often comes to look like misandrist discourse.
I’m open to counter-views.
Edit: Oh, sweet Jesus. Would you have a look at the notes in which this post is being seared by feminists? Some of whom are very angry and dare I say, abusive? I love the ‘discussion’ and the opportunity to get further insight on how they think. Check it out.
I challenge you to watch this music video by Trinidadian soca star Shurwayne Winchester and to tell me that he and his creative team aren’t idiots.
Let’s be frank about it.
In the intro to this controversial flick, which I’ve only just seen, a locked container filled with women comes to Trinidad from Cuba, a thug pays off a dealer for the cargo, and the gang of newly-purchased humans go on to pole dance in bars for Winchester’s pleasure. It’s so stupid that you’d laugh, if only the depiction of human trafficking and dehumanised women wasn’t so stark.
Who does that? It also doesn’t help that Trinidad & Tobago was criticised in the latest UN Report on Trafficking in Persons for not fully complying with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking.
Winchester later issued a half-assed statement on the matter saying that he had no direct control of the scripting of the introductory scene, and has since cut it from the official video.
Adding insult to injury, the national flag of Trinidad & Tobago - Winchester’s own country - is upside down for the entire video.
If you don’t care for the prose and opinion that is most of this video, just read about her on Wikipedia.
According to the feminist film theorist Laura Mulvey, “the male figure cannot bear the burden of sexual objectification.” Tell that to the pecs and speedo-clad cocks wiggling in LMFAO’s new video for their hit, Sexy And I Know It.
Keep this in mind the next time a certain type of feminist tries to skew the gender dialogue to imply that women are solely, or vastly more objectified, than men.
Though I’ve kept this post deliberately brief, I later explained my rationale for this post during the pow-wow in the comments below.
The Independent’s Joan Smith argues, “the hunt for the ideal rape victim is never-ending but fruitless, for the simple reason that it requires unimpeachable conduct on the part of the victim in every area of her life, past and present. Women who have been drinking, who know their alleged attacker or who’ve ever told a lie to a public official, even in an unrelated matter, are not victims prosecutors want to put before juries.”
Code Red beat me in commenting on the curious reaction among some in Jamaica and Barbados to this recent murder-suicide, which could’ve either been a result of domestic violence and rape, or plain old ‘Barbados hates Jamaica’ bullshit. It’s been said so perfectly, I have nothing else to add.
Natoya Ewers, a Jamaican woman, was hacked to death by her intimate partner, leaving behind three children. I came across this Jamaican Facebook page where the occasion of this woman’s death was used to denounce the ‘fact’ that Bajans did not like Jamaicans.
Many readers asserted that the woman should not have left Jamaica to travel to that “Third World full-stop of an island, Barbados.” Absolutely no mention of violence against women. No mention of the Jamaican women who lost their lives at home in Jamaica at the hands of intimate partners during that same week. No mention of how increasingly violent Caribbean societies had become. I told myself it’s just one Facebook page. Surely that is not most people’s reaction. Then I saw the Jamaica Observer cartoon above and it confirmed my initial fears.
Caribbean feminist scholar, Alissa Trotz, has outlined how “women’s bodies [become] the site on which group loyalties are enacted.” Not to be outdone, on the Nation News Facebook page comments (which have since been removed) were also nationalistic as readers alleged that the man who committed the murder and subsequently killed himself was Vincentian. They quickly moved from the nationalistic to the sexist:
But lets face the truth. Bajan women take and take and take and just take too much from men. Its not like the men can afford to give so much. Men feel compelled to give because its the only way they can keep these selfish Bajan women. Bajan women have become a society of beggers.
Just say ” hello” to a Bajan women and she wants a top up.
Of course, the other Facebook users moved to correct the commenter quoted above, not to chide him for his sexism but to remark that the woman in question was not Bajan but Jamaican. The stereotype of Caribbean women as mercenary, materialistic and financially dependent on men and these “facts” in and of themselves being presented as a justification of murder went unchallenged.
While the recent tensions surrounding the treatment of Jamaican nationals at the Barbados airport and the rape of a Jamaican woman in police custody explains in part this recourse to an unthinking nationalism, it does not explain why all the “talk” following this woman’s brutal death made absolutely no mention of the similarity with so many other murders of Caribbean women and displayed very little feeling for the woman herself. Reports are that she had confronted her partner about sexually abusing her daughter. On local television one of her neighbours reported watching the woman’s murder from the safety of his bedroom window.
Women’s bodies are used as boundary-markers in what has become an asinine Barbados versus Jamaica beef played out at the highest and lowest levels. Wasted time, talk and energy that could be put towards fighting against what is really at issue here: men’s violence against women, society’s sanctioning of it, incest and child sexual abuse.
CODE RED is a feminist collective of Caribbean women and men.
One of the most controversial songs in Barbados for 2011 is the simply-produced Carry My Sheep to Town, by a new artist called Stiffy.
It’s completely in Bajan dialect, but the gist is that Stiffy has a girlfriend who insists that he spends all his money on her food, clothes and various wants. As a result, he compares himself to a shepherd and, naturally, views his girlfriend as his ‘sheep’.
I’ve heard that some women are outraged, and that some interest-groups have even gone as far as to describe the song as misogynistic and disparaging to all females, but I disagree.
If we’re honest with ourselves about gender stereotyping, we would agree that a song about a male ‘sheep’ - the antithesis to the notion of the male provider - would get nowhere near as much criticism as this. TLC’s No Scrubs, anyone? By the same token, you have to agree, a ‘sheep’ in this context does not gel well with the concept of the ‘independent woman.’
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
‘Sometimes in a misguided attempt to set up parameters, feminists create a narrower and, ironically, oppressive definition of womanhood.’
Blogger Natasha Jackson shares all the criticisms of popular feminism that I do. You know, that ugly, man-hating and divisive brand of feminism? Yeah, that.